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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.05.20 19:20:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:This may sound naive, but the whole BPO->copy->BPC->invent->T2 BPC seems like this "not good" complexity thing.
"Not good" complexity is things like having to google what damage a missile does because the name is arbitrarily abstract or having to know that jump fuel is a 'manufacture and research' product in the market. Complex production chains are exactly good complexity. I can run a copy business, an invent business without needing to own BPOs a production business outsourcing my invention. All meaningful interactions. Next you'll be saying we should mine T2 components from moons because reactions are 'not good' complexity and a clickfest.
Sorry for breaking the chain of good posts, but folly must be rebuked.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:19:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:
This is interesting and definitely worth thinking about. My gut feeling is that longer TTM is better as it gives more time to exploit imbalances before the market catches up. Thoughts?
Honestly, this kind of gameplay is the only reason I have any interest in Eve whatsoever. I can't speak for anyone else obviously but having a market complex enough to manipulate and exploit is one of the main things that makes Eve special.
Those of us inclined to play this way are naturally fairly silent about it, but there are a few of us and we really, really appreciate all the cool systems that allow us to part the less savvy of their hard earned. Good complexity :bravo:
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.27 19:17:00 -
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Is build time with perfect TE?
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.30 12:24:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:
What would you suggest? I know it's easier just to say :ccp: and then run off, but in this thread we are solving problems :)
I suggest you tone down the SA emoting before Dinsdale realises you are a goon now. There will be an outcry.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.31 10:21:00 -
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Sales Alt negrodamus wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:
JF ranks are more just a stab at where they seem like they "should" be given the existing patterns with T2 and capital ships. I'm open to arguments that they're too high, but I'd be looking for an explanation based in "...and this is why it's bad for the game" rather than "the number is bigger" :)
I think it is more of a "consistency" issue with how things are now, and honestly I hadn't looked at capital production "as a whole" due to how annoying it is to navigate the CSV via spreadsheet. JF's are their own category, I would argue. They are the only T2 capital ship. There's no reason to borrow patterns from other ships. I really want to argue "it is super annoying to tie up 6b in materials for that long" but supercap and titan builders have it worse, and I can build the JF in highsec. Ultimately making the build and invent times significantly longer is bad because it'll simply make JF's that much more expensive due to becoming more annoying to invent and build. That's really it I think.
The other side of it is you REALLY aren't going to want to do it in a POS. JF will be a null - only affair lest you want to tie things up for the full term. Naturally, I like anything that brings people to null. (Anyone reading this wanting to build JF post patch, we have an excellent rental program, get in touch! 
Super-capitals are special snowflakes because it isn't just about tying up the isk, it is also about making coat-hanger operations a legitimate tactic also. Really long TTM times in those cases has more gameplay to it than just introducing enhanced manipulation potential as is the case with other markets.
In other words, I agree freighters are capitals in name only and really don't categorise well that way.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.02 17:25:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:
This is a good argument. Generally we are just unhappy with the state of power projection, the ease of logistics, and the way those things feed into the size of coalitions. JFs themselves are probably a comparatively smaller contributor to this than other caps.
I'm going to wind down JFs to much closer to their current numbers, to avoid creating a lot of additional pain while we look at longer-term adjustments. Thanks for the feedback :)
I'm really glad to see you say this. Right now, I'd argue JF are massively underpowered, given the size of coalitions and their logistic needs. We probably do 50 JF loads a day into deklein as a guesstimate (I don't have access to the numbers). We wouldn't be any bigger if we only had to do 10. We wouldn't be any smaller if it was 100. We would just lose a lot more JF operators to burnout.
Addressing the reasons we have gotten so large needs to come first, once coalitions no longer need to be massive, they should shrink. When a handful of jump freighters can service a null entity, then and only then, can you call them overpowered.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:06:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:Little groups in low sec also heavily rely on Jump freighters to get our hulls to our homes.
Which goes to show what I mean. They are perfectly suited to providing small scale logistics, but woefully inadequate for bloc level needs in post-dominion Eve.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:02:00 -
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Right you are buddy. So when are you fixing sov?
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:07:00 -
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Ok, seriously though. Once you are done wrangling would you be so kind as to reply to this? It is fairly pressing.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:44:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:
I thiiiiink that's everything, but as above, long week, I may have missed something!
Time to max research column? :D
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:53:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Seith Kali wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:
I thiiiiink that's everything, but as above, long week, I may have missed something!
Time to max research column? :D Oh. Yeah. Forgot about that. Multiply level 1 research by 256000/105 to get total max research time in seconds.
Just checking it hadn't changed ;)
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:06:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Doesn't that mean that all currently existing T2 items will become almost 50% more valuable post-crius?
speculation machine running....
Yes. buy buy buy.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:13:00 -
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No rumor mongering.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:55:00 -
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Except for the number 525b. That number will echo throughout the galaxy until the servers burn.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:14:00 -
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Valterra Craven wrote: and well I arrive at my 15-30% guesstimate.
Buy, buy, buy!!!
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.09 21:07:00 -
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Effort is the only real barrier for invention. I used to invent, but now I just cannot bring myself to install jobs through the sheer tedium of it. I've said countless times in these threads that all these hypothetical production quantity numbers people seem intent on spouting around like a drunkard pissing are utterly insubstantial when you consider the effect a nicer UI is going to have.
If we really can invent in batches or even in one or two clicks that is going to make a bigger difference to net production quantities per real-player than flapping about with build times ever will.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:19:00 -
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Jon Lucien wrote:
The assumptions people make sometimes astound me. I, too, can pull numbers out of my backside. Look, Statistics!
Good postings Jon Lucian, good postings.
I have some statistics too.
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I am assuming that 20% of producers produce 80% of the manufactured goods in EVE, and that those people seldom get it wrong.
15% of the stuff you say is incoherent drivel, and the other 85% of the time I'm not listening.
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Seith Kali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.10 06:11:00 -
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50/72 may not be far off either. How the hell would you know.
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